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Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Mordred on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:01 am

The motion by Vincent Margrove was whether the Eastern Steppe should collectively pay 1/5th of their income in order to pay for a system of watchtowers on the northern border.

Votes are as follows, and shall be carried by simple majority. Vote will run for 24 hours, and end at 17:01 BST on the 13th of July.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Delay the discussion until the next Council Meeting.
4. Yes, but the new tax not to be enforced until after the second council meeting.

Vote changing enabled for the duration of the vote.


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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:06 am

Option 4. Yes, but the new tax not to be enforced until after the second council meeting. (turn 4/5?)

This could fall under 3, but if a majority can be achieved in favor of the tax...
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Mordred on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:09 am

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:16 am

Mordred wrote:Added

It doesn't show in the poll.. so I won't vote and it can be added to the results afterwards. (Ofcourse, it's pretty much a Yes)
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Pravenstern on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:17 am

Clarification: would the North have to pay these taxes?
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Mordred on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:19 am

Valdir wrote:
Mordred wrote:Added

It doesn't show in the poll.. so I won't vote and it can be added to the results afterwards. (Ofcourse, it's pretty much a Yes)

Should be now, sorry I didn't see you had to press an extra button to make it happen Smile

@ Pravenstern, I'll let Vincent clarify.

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:22 am

Pravenstern wrote:Clarification: would the North have to pay these taxes?

It wasn't just for the north, if I read correctly. It's more or less a general fund for the Steppe.

And y'all fools! How can you vote yes, while you've already spend everything in your Orders!

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Vincent at the Council Session wrote:"or property could be rebuild if it is destroyed by a storm or flood or through raids".
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Pravenstern on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:24 am

I'll vote for 4. As much as I appreciate attempts to help the North and the Steppe, I can think of better uses for the gold at the moment: like raising some actual troops to defend the area.


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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Vealdis on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:26 am

Voted for delay...the North is already filled with rich bastards
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Sir Nickolas on Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:24 am

An important question to ask is...

Will these taxes take effect the first week or the second? Some players already issued out orders for the first and may not want to go back to constantly edit them.

I revoked my vote (which was originally Yes) until this can be answered.

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Mordred on Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:27 am

I had assumed the first, but will leave to Vincent to confirm.

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Psychozoa on Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:58 am

I assumed the orders are already given. So it will apply for the next turn.
And yes it was intended that the tax will affect everyone and that it will be used for everything from building watchtower to hiring mercenarys and so on...
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:07 am

Closed, right?

Simple majority (4) for option 4.
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Vealdis on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:19 am

Sure...damn majority..
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Mordred on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:20 am

Yup, closed. 4 wins, and a tax of 1/5 of income will be enforced after the next meeting.

I assume that is not counting raiding and the like.

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Psychozoa on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:24 am

If someone does not want it. He or She still has the chance to change it during the next meeting. So a little bit of Lobbying has to be done =)
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Post by Vealdis on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:25 am

If someone does not want it. He or She still has the chance to change it during the next meeting. So a little bit of Lobbying has to be done =)

Doesn't 4 mean that the tax may not be discussed again?

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:27 am

Vealdis wrote:
If someone does not want it. He or She still has the chance to change it during the next meeting. So a little bit of Lobbying has to be done =)

Doesn't 4 mean that the tax may not be discussed again?


We can alter decrees during the next session.
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Vealdis on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:29 am

Valdir wrote:
Vealdis wrote:
If someone does not want it. He or She still has the chance to change it during the next meeting. So a little bit of Lobbying has to be done =)

Doesn't 4 mean that the tax may not be discussed again?


We can alter decrees during the next session.

No :/ 4 means that it will happen after the next meeting. 3 means that it was open for discussion.
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Tysha on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:31 am

The tax did pass this time. I think we're paying for it next turn, aren't we? The governor has the power to open it for another discussion/vote though, if they so choose. At the council, of course.
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Psychozoa on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:34 am

with the current vote the tax only comes into effect after the next meeting. But it still can be changed before it comes into effect during the next meeting.
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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Valdir on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:35 am

Tysha wrote:The tax did pass this time.  I think we're paying for it next turn, aren't we?  The governor has the power to open it for another discussion/vote though, if they so choose.  At the council, of course.

No, as it stand now we'll start paying after the next Council Session. So during that session (the second one) we can change it by way of a simple majority.

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Re: Raise taxes to aid the northern border?

Post by Psychozoa on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:35 am

ninja'd Very Happy

lol double...
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