Aftermath Reborn Rules Discussion

Two questions this time, Mordred!

1. Bureaucrat requires the PC to be stationed, while (the name escapes me) quirk that gives +300 spearmen in defense requires the PC to be defending. Both disallow other actions. Can these be used together? >.>

2. Are mercenaries hired instantly and usable that turn, or is there a waiting period of some form? Additionally, do they always go to the home hex, to wherever the PC is (potentially in enemy/neutral territory), or to any owned/allied hex of the buyer's choosing?

1. Good catch, will make that clearer. It should be doing that instead of any other action (ie not at the same time). Basically you spend all your time creating red tape, or rousing rabbles.

2. Instantly. If they have not been employed before, then they begin at the players' capital, if they were employed already (and bribed) then they start where they were initially deployed, though being mercenaries have an automatic "right of passage" to the new employers lands... unless they are at war in which case they will join the scrap with their new side. Once they are hired though, you can do whatever you want with them.

(Someone else ask questions for once!)

"Raids can be announced against any neighbouring owned (self or Vassal) hexes, or to hexes with whom the Player has an "Open Borders" style agreement with."

So, it seems to read as though one raids their own hexes or the hexes of their vassals, or the hexes that one has open borders with? Or should this read 'from' rather than 'against'?

And I assume the owned part remains true... we can't raid unowned provinces. (Are Mystmountain hexes an exception?)

So will our starting wealth be one turn's income, or another set amount?

Tysha wrote:(Someone else ask questions for once!)

"Raids can be announced against any neighbouring owned (self or Vassal) hexes, or to hexes with whom the Player has an "Open Borders" style agreement with."

So, it seems to read as though one raids their own hexes or the hexes of their vassals, or the hexes that one has open borders with?  Or should this read 'from' rather than 'against'?

And I assume the owned part remains true... we can't raid unowned provinces. (Are Mystmountain hexes an exception?)

Yes against should read "from". Unowned and Mystmountain provinces are most definitely targets, go wild!

Note; I will probably set the "NPC" counties up as non-active passives, ie they will build and raid (and be raided), but will not be engaged in diplomacy, nor will they attend the Eastern Council. I have some plans for the Mystmountain activity... to be revealed later (but feel free to raid them, but note that they will likely be much tougher opponents, at least initially!)

Tysha wrote:So will our starting wealth be one turn's income, or another set amount?

1 week's income, including traits. If my calculations are right this could be;

Valdir; 250 (200 from trait, 50 from wealth)
Simon; 30
Tysha; 40
Vealdis; 70
Vincent; 40
Andros; 40
Quiris; 50

And prestige is starting at 0, still?

Also, in re-reading things I answered one of my earlier questions about mercs that is contrary to what you said. The mercenary thread says they don't become active until the turn after they are purchased, while to answer my question you said instantly. Soo... which one will it be?

Alright then! As much as I'd like to post my orders I suppose it is best to wait for the council.

In case anyone is interested, the Great Map spoiler in the link has names of several counties. For instance, Tysha is in Evasolde County (due to the castle of the same name.)

http://popaftermath.forumotion.com/t463-ic-material-the-council-chamber

Rename any counties you want- and assume all defences were torn down during the war.

As to the mercs, go with the turn after purchase (with the exception being when they are bribed in battle as intended).

Mordred wrote:As to the mercs, go with the turn after purchase (with the exception being when they are bribed in battle as intended).

Should orders be pméd to you, or is everyone to make a topic in the IC board detailing the level of the Hex (fortifications, units stationed), the IC descriptions and turn-based orders that can be given overt?

Most likely overt as this means we can have players on a rota to calculate them (which I will make as simple as possible), though they will not be due until after the meeting has taken place - I need to work out how they should be done first.

A question, can we upgrade our troops? How much does this cost?

Mordred wrote:Most likely overt as this means we can have players on a rota to calculate them (which I will make as simple as possible), though they will not be due until after the meeting has taken place - I need to work out how they should be done first.

And sekret actions should still be pm'ed?

Troops go inactive the turn they are upgraded, and it is... 25% of the cost of the troop they are becoming. (IIRC!)

Is this the idea?

Orders Week 1:

and is it correct?

I think you need to add one manor and remove one estate if that's your construction plan. You start with two... unless you chose a perk that grants you an extra. >.>

Noted! Thanks.

@ Pravenstern;
Yes, it is intended that you do upgrade them. Vertical upgrades (ie to a new tier) is done at full cost. Upgrade horizontally (ie to another type of the same tier) is done at 20% cost. The only exception is Peasant to other Levy units, which are done at full cost.

Both methods take 1 turn, in which that unit may not be used.

Also, please remember that all players begin with 2 Manors (and thus 2 units of 100 peasants).

@ Valdir;
It will be something like that, yes.

As to that example;
You can only build 1 "tier" a turn, but as many constructions as you wish. You could therefore upgrade your 2 starting Manors to an Estate, but would need to build the 3rd Manor first before you upgrade it next turn.

Each hex can only have 1 fortification (its really how well defended the entire county is), and can only upgrade a tier a turn, so you could build "Stockades" this turn, and then upgrade to "Hill Forts" next.

The unit upgrade is right on.

notice the [unknown] with the units. I wasn't sure if I upgraded 100, or 1.

100

So, I think I have done it correctly now.. so as an example to the others I'll post it below.

”Orders Week 1”:

Bingo, spot on.

Do raids count as battles for the purpose of our commander quirk?

Yup!

Tysha wrote:Troops go inactive the turn they are upgraded, and it is... 25% of the cost of the troop they are becoming. (IIRC!)

Where did you see 25%? I thought I might have had this in 2 places.

Just mentally, I was wrong.

Phew, had me worried! (It is under Prices for those of you wondering where the detail is).